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http://www.forbes.comfestyle/2004/01/26...l_0126feat.html

The current lucky generation of automotive customers has no real understanding of how truly awful a car can be.


1. 1975-1980 AMC Pacer
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Like the Chevrolet Vega on our list, AMC's Pacer was supposed to be fitted with a rotary engine--but both rotaries had technical problems late in their development (read: after incurring heavy research costs) that prevented them from seeing the light of day. Of course, both vehicles had plenty of problems that did reach production. The Pacer was a dud in terms of quality, execution and particularly styling. Make your own assessment about its bizarre proportions, but don't miss the one door that's bigger than the other


2. 1970-1974 Chevrolet Vega
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Early Vegas were poorly designed, and their aluminum engines failed constantly. The first time General Motors tested this car on the track, its front end reportedly broke off from the rest of the vehicle. When the Vega did reach the market, it was one of the most unabashedly no-frills cars in history. Starting at $2,090, the Vega offered little space with its 97-inch wheelbase (the distance from the center of the front wheel to the center of the rear) and had disturbingly little horsepower, 90, out of its four-cylinder engine.


3. 1970-1972 Citroen SM
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Here was a car that had the potential to be totally awesome. The Citroën SM's half-covered rear wheel prefigured the look of Honda's Insight hybrid coupe, and while the SM's bizarre hydro-pneumatic suspension was years ahead of its time, it was poorly engineered and designed. The suspension would collapse. Its nitrogen and mineral oil would leak, and rubber seals on the suspension would wear down over time. Had you pressed the car to its absolute limits, the SM might have ended up riding on its axles.


4. 1978-1988 Fiat Strada
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For its Strada subcompact, Fiat was issuing service bulletins--instructions that manufacturers send to dealers about recurring problems--before the vehicle ever went on sale. Lawsuits over rust--and that must be some serious rust--helped drive Fiat out of the U.S., and the Strada was a particular stinker in this regard. Its floors, suspension, wheel arches and engine mounts had rust problems--to name a few parts. Not that the engines were even worth saving; the Strada's "range" began at 60 horsepower and topped out at 75.


5. 1983-1989 Ford Bronco II
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Editor's Note: Forbes.com was unable to obtain permission from Ford to use an image of a Bronco II from the 1983-1989 model years. The Bronco above is a 1980.

Although many people loved them for their ruggedness, in the 1980s Ford's Bronco II sport utility practically invented the phrase "prone to rollovers." How bad did things get? The vehicle's drivers realized they probably shouldn't pilot the Bronco II up a steep hill; Ford's employees said as much in an inter-office memo that was circulated in 1986, according to the Center for Auto Safety. Ford sent out 288 service bulletins on the 1985 Bronco II alone; reading them spotlights a vehicle whose engines--and other major components, like alternators and ignition systems--failed often.


6. 1958-1960 Ford Edsel
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The Edsel is an automotive punch line, but its mechanical underpinnings were pretty decent; the car just never sold. It was overly laden with features and overpriced; i.e., Ford asked customers what they wanted to see on cars, but not what they were willing to pay for. Then, of course, we have the fact that the vehicle's polarizing styling drove it off the market two years after it appeared. Think of the Pontiac Aztek in an era when cars were mechanically inferior to the way they are now.


7. 1971-1980 Ford Pinto
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"You don't want to talk about the Pinto," said a Ford official. "Leave that one in the cemetery." Apparently, Ford has not forgotten the lawsuits and the public relations disasters forged by its Pinto hatchback and sedan. The Pinto's famous safety flaw, of course, was that it was prone to blowing up if rear-ended. When people talk about how bad American small cars created an opportunity for the Japanese to come in and clean house in the 1970s and '80s, they are referring to vehicles like this (and see Chevrolet Vega, second slide).


8. 1978 Honda Accord Hatchback
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Early Honda Accord buyers were delighted to have a small car that looked and drove better than comparable American offerings. What they weren't so happy about were young Honda's Fiat-like quality problems; had they remained unaddressed, Honda may have gone the way of Fiat in this country. The first Accord's fenders would rust from the inside out. Pieces of interior trim would change color or fall off. An Accord owner might change his transmission five or six times, as he watched his primitive aluminum engine blow its gaskets.


9. 1971 Mazda RX-2
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There's a good reason that rotary engines never really caught on. Rotaries--which run in circles, unlike pistons, which run up and down--are like diesels; they had major problems early in life, creating a buying populace that to this date does not fully trust them. Mazda's RX-2, one of the first rotary-engine cars, had problems with catching on fire. It also raised the classic problems of rotary engines: bad fuel economy and emissions. Rotary seals would wear out early in an RX-2's life, leaking fuel and emissions along the way.


10. 1979-1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88
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GM had two famously bad engines in the early 1980s: one that could operate on four, six or eight cylinders, and an Oldsmobile diesel. While the "variable displacement" engine was a pioneering idea that is just coming back on cars, the worst it usually got was that owners would have to clip undercarriage wires to get away from malfunctioning four- and six-cylinder modes. Oldsmobile's 5.7-liter diesel, which appeared from 1979 to 1984 on the Delta 88, was a bigger problem--a converted gasoline engine that was just a disaster. It would "smoke," demonstrating "rough idle" and "reduced performance," according to service bulletins.


11. 1984 Pontiac Fiero
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By the time Pontiac killed its unprofitable Fiero after a four-year run, the vehicle was quite good. But GM spent a lot of money fixing a car that was billed originally as a fuel-efficient commuter car, when buyers expected it to be a high-end sports car. Whatever they may have been expecting, Fiero customers got a car that was initially unreliable. Pontiac issued 403 service bulletins on the '84 Fiero, plus a recall for engine fires. The vehicle had particular problems with driving in reverse--the gear would engage suddenly, or it wouldn't engage at all, or it would just do it very, very slowly.


12. 1956-1968 Renault Dauphine
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If you want to know what sank Renault in the U.S., look further back in history than Le Car. The Dauphine, one of the first postwar Renaults, was analogous to the first Hyundai Excel: high volume, newfangled and bad. Renault used to be one of the biggest car companies; the Dauphine, a populist vehicle that sold neck and neck with Volkswagen's Beetle for a time in the late 1950s, started a pattern of unacceptable engineering that almost killed the company. Here are some sample horsepower figures from Dauphines of the 1950s: 19, 32, 38. Folks, we're talking about taking half a minute to do 0-60 mph.


13. 1957-1962 Sachsenring Traband P50
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With names like Borgward and Wartburg, some cars made in postwar Germany just seem to shout "junk." The name Trabant carried connotations of greater ignobility; it was a poor man's Volkswagen, and Volkswagen itself used to cater to budget-minded buyers who expected quality problems. Trabants were built of a material called Duraplast, basically because its Sachsenring factory couldn't afford steel. Duraplast was resin reinforced with cotton fibers, and it made the Trabants look, feel and last like Soviet appliances.


14. 1981-1991 Yugo GV
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Malcolm Bricklin was Yugo's old importer in the U.S., and he wants to bring the vehicles back. Malcolm Bricklin also built a vehicle called the Bricklin SV-1 in New Brunswick, and they say that if he ever sets foot in New Brunswick again they will shoot him on sight. Yugos, priced below $4,000 when first introduced, came to America as a great benefit to comedians, and at the expense of value-conscious customers. The GV was Yugo's bread-and-butter model, and owners complained constantly about engine problems, steering problems, problems with the stereo, problems with the floor--basically, everything. What worked in a Yugo worked as poorly and cheaply as possible.
LMAO............ good post.............

I remember my parent's old '84 Oldsmobile Delta, what a wonder p.o.s..... my dad still holds it in high regards lol....
Where's Scooba's car? :lol: :lol:
S2,Oct 25 2005, 09:16 AM Wrote:The current lucky generation of automotive customers has no real understanding of how truly awful a car can be.

I think a few of the Focus owners here have a pretty good idea.
I remember my buddies Fiero, it had more than it's share of problems. Car felt like you were sitting on the ground too. Great to see that Ford and GM together make up more than half of that list.
2001 ZTS,Oct 25 2005, 08:43 AM Wrote:
S2,Oct 25 2005, 09:16 AM Wrote:The current lucky generation of automotive customers has no real understanding of how truly awful a car can be.

I think a few of the Focus owners here have a pretty good idea.
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Yeah kinda shocked the 2000 focus isn't in the list. I can't believe some of those entries above, one had something like 400+ TSB's, that's just insane.

I love the last writeup, shot on sight! :lol:

Sad cause I can think of quite a few more to add to that list myself. I used to own a BOBCAT (Mercury's Version of the Pinto) and damn, probably the worst car I've ever drove, handled like s**t, ran like s**t, sounded like s**t, rattled like s**t, complete s**t.
Quote:Trabants were built of a material called Duraplast, basically because its Sachsenring factory couldn't afford steel.

:lol: hahaha
:lol: :lol: I knew a guy who owned an AMC Pacer - talk about a POS !! The only reason he bought it is because he was a fat s**t and it was the only car he could shoe-horn his ass into :lol: He closed the door once and the fackin hinge broke off !! :lol:
THAT IS NOT A BRONCO II

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THESE are brocno II's
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Yeah it is mentioned in that article that FORD would not release the rights to the magazine to post a picture of the Bronco II. It's mentioned on the first line of the paragraph below the picture.
The full size bronco's kick ass
Crazirich,Oct 25 2005, 11:52 AM Wrote:The full size bronco's kick ass
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I wonder if OJ still has his? :D
Y'know while that list includes somre memorable failures (My dad, I am ashamed to admit, owned both an AMC Pacer and a Ford Pinto at one point :ph34r: ) the list is more shocking for the cars that it didn't include.

One such gem:

The Chevy Chevette/Pontiac Acadian/Pontiac T1000

Oh lord how bad were those cars? Let me count the ways. Brakes that were biodegradable (10,000km on one set, GM dismissed the complaint as "normal" :blink: ) head gaskets that popped like zits when the temperature dropped below zero Celcius (Not Farenheit) the car rusted out like there was no tommorow.

Can anyone think of any others that deserve a place on this list?

NefCanuck
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Crazirich,Oct 25 2005, 11:47 AM Wrote:THAT IS NOT A BRONCO II

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someone can't read :P

Quote:Editor's Note: Forbes.com was unable to obtain permission from Ford to use an image of a Bronco II from the 1983-1989 model years. The Bronco above is a 1980.

and for all it's problems, the focus is nowhere near as bad as some of those other cars...

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LOL :lol:
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Zetec version maybe


SPI/Duratec kicks ASS :ph34r:
Crazirich,Oct 25 2005, 10:52 AM Wrote:The full size bronco's kick ass
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dam right! the first vehicle i ever drove, has a special place in my heart

when i drove it over someones car :lol:
now i know why they don't give licences out when you are 2 years old
I'm suprised though that Lada never made the list, anyone who owned one was always waiting on parts to arrive from Russia, they'd fix it, and then have to replace something else connected to it or at the other end of the car. Lada's were known to be always waiting for, or always in the waiting for parts to fix them.

I'm also suprised that the Dodge Caravan never made the list. 1984 - 1990 there was more then 1,100 recalls related to them, followed by the 1991 - 1995's with the hatch lock recalls, not to mention the transmissions failures at 60,000kms, or the recall related to the battery that could cause fire, or the best one was related to the transmission somtimes slipping in to reverse on it's own. And the 1996 - 1999 recalls for tranny's again, and driver and passenger sliding door locks for breaking, or malfunctioning.

Or Toyota's 4Runners ( hylux ) from 1988 - 2000 with power moon roofs, they had a tendancy to launch off the roof at high speeds when in the open settings with all the windows in the closed settings. Or the total recall on 1992 - 2002 Corolla's for seat belt buckels.
Yup I agree 110% on the Lada. Actually when I posted that 'list' on FF.com a month ago or so I mentioned that.
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