Just want to know... I've got some stupid ideas in my head.
Please guys, for the love of everything domestic... NO FLAMING. Especially from the F/I guys. There's nothing saying I can't attempt this, and just because anyone's successful doesn't mean I won't be. I'm sick of the hate, so JUST DON'T.
If I upgrade the ATX's valve body to the FRPP-listed re-cal'ed valve body, I can handle 160-170WHP (purportedly). That should be enough to handle a JRSC.
What TB size is needed? Will the BDR 60mm TB work, or will I need the 65mm Mustang V6 TB and an adapter plate?
Anything else? Will the JSRC play nice with the SPI accessory array and belt?
I'm going to go digging for SPI accessory routing diagrams and Zetec ones for comparison.
NOS2Go4Me,Aug 8 2005, 10:49 AM Wrote:I've got some stupid ideas in my head.
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So what else is new... We told you that marriage would do that to a man. :lol:
Oscar The Grouch,Aug 8 2005, 11:03 AM Wrote:NOS2Go4Me,Aug 8 2005, 10:49 AM Wrote:I've got some stupid ideas in my head.
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Oscar The Grouch,Aug 8 2005, 11:03 AM Wrote:NOS2Go4Me,Aug 8 2005, 10:49 AM Wrote:I've got some stupid ideas in my head.
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:rolleyes: *waits for Mitch to see this and reply*
I don't think this is going to be an issue. I've decided I'm not buying another Focus as I'm already paying for this one, and I may as well make it as unique performance-wise as it already is style-wise.
So either high-power N/A or F/I it is, with a transmission upgrade as well.
I just need to sort out the semantics of where to mount the S/C before I throw on the UDP (for obvious reasons), as the only UDP there is for the SPI specifically is a crank pulley. Other than that I'll need "Zetec" PS and alternator pullies. See what I mean? :rolleyes:
Your gonna change your mind next week.
The JRSC replaces the intake manifold and fits between the TB and the engine block. I had tried 3 different TBs on my JRSC. They all work (including the stock zetec TB.)
There is a difference between the zetec JRSC setup and the SVT JRSC setup, so I am pretty sure that there would be mounting issues with the blower as well as belt setup if you tried on a SPI.
Then you would have to tune the monster.
Oh. Crap. It replaces the Intake Manifold. Not good.
I guess I need something that force-feeds the TB, like a Powerworks or Vortech then? :huh:
That's what I'm really asking - what S/C kits attach directly to the Zetec block and which ones wouldn't be too hard to mount to the SPI.
I'm looking for something self-contained in terms of oiling, nothing I need to run lines to/from the engine block.
NOS2Go4Me,Aug 8 2005, 12:16 PM Wrote:Oh. Crap. It replaces the Intake Manifold. Not good.
I guess I need something that force-feeds the TB, like a Powerworks or Vortech then? :huh:
That's what I'm really asking - what S/C kits attach directly to the Zetec block and which ones wouldn't be too hard to mount to the SPI.
I'm looking for something self-contained in terms of oiling, nothing I need to run lines to/from the engine block.
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Just a question....
you plan on having kids in the near future????
If you are, I may suggest you not do this to your car.
Reliability will be out the window man.
If it were a Ztec, and common I would say you might be alright.
But trailblazing in a car like yours, might cause headaches down the road.
Just my opinion man.
Take it for what it is.
Point well taken :)
I mean, there are a decent number of homegrown SPIs that are force-fed without issues in the States. Tuning a SPI is no different than tuning a Zetec, especially with a datalogger and then something along the lines of an XCal 1/2 for the re-tune. I'd invest in a day's dyno time to tune it for sure.
Besides the aforementioned mounting issues and belt routing issues, I don't see many problems with it. Upgrade the fuel injectors, no problem. BDR 60mm TB - coming this fall. The only shortcoming the SPI has is the intake manifold. Aside from disabling the IMRC, we can't do much to improve flow besides PnP and port-matching to the new TB.
Still there are guys with turbo'ed SPIs who are putting down 180-200+ WHP with the exact same methods that Zetec owners use. It's just a matter of adaption.
NOS2Go4Me,Aug 8 2005, 12:59 PM Wrote:Point well taken :)
I mean, there are a decent number of homegrown SPIs that are force-fed without issues in the States. Tuning a SPI is no different than tuning a Zetec, especially with a datalogger and then something along the lines of an XCal 1/2 for the re-tune. I'd invest in a day's dyno time to tune it for sure.
Besides the aforementioned mounting issues and belt routing issues, I don't see many problems with it. Upgrade the fuel injectors, no problem. BDR 60mm TB - coming this fall. The only shortcoming the SPI has is the intake manifold. Aside from disabling the IMRC, we can't do much to improve flow besides PnP and port-matching to the new TB.
Still there are guys with turbo'ed SPIs who are putting down 180-200+ WHP with the exact same methods that Zetec owners use. It's just a matter of adaption.
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If it can be done smoothly.... GO FOR IT!
Hey Mitch, further to this insanity... are the fuel injectors the same for both the Zetec and the SPI?
I think something like a vortech would actually be easier to work.... I'm thinking this mainly because you don't need to funk with the manifold.....
Honestly theres going to be allot of fabbing required both ways, jackson or vortech. Why not then just go for a turbo, even keep it non intercooled. That setup should be quite straight forward, I think the SPI has allot more room in there to fit it also...
Make life easier... go turbo...
scoobasteve,Aug 8 2005, 05:29 PM Wrote:Make life easier... go turbo...
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How is it easier to run a turbo? Custom manifold, custom turbo, oil lines, etc etc.
I'm dead serious. If someone can show me how a DIY turbo kit is any easier, I'll gladly do it. I'm willing to spend extra here to make this as painless as possible.
Still waiting on Mitch, although I know he's probably mopping the drool off the cars since the Dyno Day. :)
I'm also looking for numbers as to what the FRPP valve body upgrade can take, or if I ought to just order a Level 10 transmission and be done with it. They have a nice kit, handles up to 275WHP... but damn it's expensive. :blink:
Oh well. If it makes it walk, I'm happy. I think we just want (and by we I mean mostly me) to have one of the most unique Focuses out there. This is a huge step in that direction.
the turbo manifold from a late 80s escort will bolt up to the SPI motor, i believe it uses a T25 turbo, you'd need to fabricate the DP, and piping from the turbo the the FMIC and the IC to the TB, none of which is that hard to do. since you are going to be limited by the tranny, 6psi should be more than enough and at that boost level an intercooler is not "NEEDED" however it's nice to have one on long hauls or spirited drives.
i'd have to check but i believe ford uses a standard injector size on all of it's cars and trucks, the only issue would be the injector harness plug shape. i know the zetec can use the 42lb/hr injectors off a lightning.. but the SPI might use a different shaped harness, maybe like a mustang or even a V10 injector...?
to make a JRSC style blower, you'd need to do some custom fab work but it is not THAT hard to do if you have some friends in the industry.
you would need a spair SPI intake manifold.
you would need to cut the mounting flange off the IM off and make a template out of it.
you would then need to take that template to a machinist and get a new flange made, from there you would need to fabricate a plenum and runners that mounts the SC pully in line with the belt assembly.
there is a guy on FJ that has already done this, he would probably be the guy to contact about this.
you can do anything to any car!
you just need deep pockets and the ability to live without the car for long periods of time during build up.
THERE IS NO WAY THIS WOULD BE A WEEKEND OR EVEN A WEEKLONG PROJECT!!!
this would take you atleats a couple of months assuming you already had a design, plan of attack and the money standing by to make it happen with a nice fat buffer for the problems that are bound to come up?
not hatin, just sayin. :)
Sounds good man, thanks :)
I know Tin and Gig on FJ are crazy-deep into their turbo projects. I'm waiting for the spring because if this suddenly becomes vastly time-consuming for the initial install, I'll just go out and arrange for the second car we've discussed.
As for the JRSC guy on FJ, never heard of him :blink: I'll have to go look that one up.
I'd also be considering some sort of transmission upgrade at the same time. This needs to be something my wife will drive as well. Note I said "will" and not "can". She can drive stick, but prefers the lower hassle of an auto and remembers how much our truck ripped along.
I'd probably lean towards a turbo, the overall design and implementation seems easier. I'll go assault the FJ database for the how-tos on the SPI turbo installs.
I'd also go FMIC so the IAT is much lower and more power is produced at boost.
Thanks for the 2 cents Mitch. :)