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Gm Posts $9 Billion Loss - darkpuppet - 02-27-2009 It's like watching a beggar with gold jewelery on the street corner... Quote:] GM Posts $9.6B Loss, Wants More Money From the Feds I think the government should let GM die.... no amount of handouts from the government is going to stem the losses in the long run. Time to file for chapter 11 and force a re-org. Gm Posts $9 Billion Loss - meford4u - 02-27-2009 Maybe GM should be allowed to die, but the repurcussions would be mind blasting. Can you picture yourself as a retiree with no pension? With the US government handing out $$$ like candy, it is highly unlikely they won't come to GM's aid. Gm Posts $9 Billion Loss - NOS2Go4Me - 02-27-2009 meford4u,Feb 26 2009, 01:08 PM Wrote:Can you picture yourself as a retiree with no pension? This is a commensurate example of being responsible for your own retirement funds, at least in part. As for GM, only one thing comes to mind: ![]() Gm Posts $9 Billion Loss - NefCanuck - 02-27-2009 meford4u,Feb 26 2009, 01:08 PM Wrote:Maybe GM should be allowed to die, but the repurcussions would be mind blasting. A retiree without their GM pension big difference there, they would still get whatever state / federal pension they would otherwise be entitled to. Not to say that the loss of the GM pension income wouldn't be devestating to the economy as a whole, because it will be. NefCanuck Gm Posts $9 Billion Loss - meford4u - 02-28-2009 NOS2Go4Me,Feb 26 2009, 01:39 PM Wrote:Dumb statement Adam.meford4u,Feb 26 2009, 01:08 PM Wrote:Can you picture yourself as a retiree with no pension? Why, why would an individual have an RRSP when their company pension, old age security and CPP amounts to them paying back their old age security and CPP if they had an RRDP and forced into withdrawls at age 75? That doesn't make sense. So why would I have RRSP's? I don't. Why? My wife and I both have incomes and retirees pensions that would have us paying back excessive amounts of income taxes once we reach the age of 75. Our CPP and 65+ pensions from the government would have to be returned as our income would not justify such a pension. Having paid into the pension funds over the last 30+ years(when I retire) I want to get something back for my money. So why have RRSP? I realize most of you are long from thinking about retiring, but the RRSP route is not as lucritive as most think. Ask a retiree who will retire in your financial position. I did and I have benefitted greatly from the advice. The banks want you to invest and pay later. Pay now and reap the rewards of investments outside an RRSP. Gm Posts $9 Billion Loss - NOS2Go4Me - 02-28-2009 See, I have funds on "both sides of the fence". We have a DCPP here at work (staff-paid with company match) that is protected and then I have a RRSP as well, plus a self-directed savings account that I will be flipping into a TFSA shortly (great for immediate-needs liquidity if you really need it). So, because you've paid into CPP over the years you want every dollar back? Don't you think that's a little bit of a pipedream? Do you max out your dental and other benefits each year because you've paid into them? CPP and EI are just taxes that get earmarked for specific gov't services, nothing more. To qualify for pay-out under those services, you must have essentially "paid your taxes" over a set period of time. Sorry man, we're from totally different schools of thought. I really don't see how you can have an investment plan that will allow you to live comfortably off just OAP and CPP and a little bit more. I'm watching how my grandmother (83 years old) lives right now with a mix of RRIF, OAP and CPP as well as some leftovers from her days as an insurance specialist at Confed before they were bought out. She's comfortable and to my knowledge she isn't paying excessive taxes. Like I said, I'd love to hear how you're working this little shell game with the gov't. What I meant was you should have direction over your own funds. I control where my outside-the-company funds go (CDN equity, money market, bonds, mixed funds, etc) and where the rest go. If you're trusting other people blindly with your funds, you're more trusting than I am by far. |