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Decided My Mods. - paulicat - 09-25-2008
Well, "Phase 1" is complete.
180hp, 170tq on a Mustang Dyno.
I didn't quite make my 200whp mark yet, the stock throttle body/manifold/cat/flex pipe are definitely bottlenecks. HP is peaking at 5900, so it needs to breath better to get full potential/boost up top.
That being said, for $2500 (all power mods inclusive) the improvement is PHENOMENOL.
The Procharger REALLY pulls like a beast, I'm quite happy with the result.
The aforementioned bottlenecks will be taken care of in "Phase 2" through the winter/spring.
Thanks to EVERYONE who gave input and support throughout this adventure!
Cheers!!
Decided My Mods. - ZTWsquared - 09-25-2008
paulicat,Sep 24 2008, 10:37 PM Wrote:Well, "Phase 1" is complete.
180hp, 170tq on a Mustang Dyno.
I didn't quite make my 200whp mark yet, the stock throttle body/manifold/cat/flex pipe are definitely bottlenecks. HP is peaking at 5900, so it needs to breath better to get full potential/boost up top.
That being said, for $2500 the improvement is PHENOMENOL.
The Procharger REALLY pulls like a beast, I'm quite happy with the result.
The aforementioned bottlenecks will be taken care of in "Phase 2" through the winter/spring.
Thanks to EVERYONE who gave input and support throughout this adventure!
Cheers!!
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Congratulations Anton and thanks very much for keeping us all in the loop as you went through this process.
Speaking of that, now that you've finished phase one (or is there more tuning?) what would you have done differently process-wise.
Decided My Mods. - NikiterZTS - 09-25-2008
can't wait to get a ride in it
i can smell lapping day
Decided My Mods. - paulicat - 09-25-2008
Thanks Ken, you were pivotal to get this started so a big Thank You to you!
Well, first thing, I wouldn't plan to do this again with another huge project (backyard renovation) at the same time.
I got distracted, and ultimately delayed.
That being said, here's the hindsight view:
1: I should've test fit the kit right when I got it. If I did this, I would've known early on what I would want to replace or what else I would need. This leads to the next item:
2: After the test fitting, I could've then planned out exactly how I want it all laid out. Which leads to the next item:
3: Start procuring things I knew I would absolutely need much earlier on. For example, an xcal, intercooler piping, silicone couplers, t-bolt clamps etc.
4: Choose a better finalization path. With the Procharger, I had the option of finishing the kit two ways. First way was the way I chose, where I had it physically installed, charge piping disconnected. Stock injectors and stock airbox were left in place until I went for tuning. Then, on the night before it was scheduled for tuning, I went to the shop and put all the last pieces in place there. This worked, but it was very stressful. I had to make sure I didn't miss or forget anything at the very last minute. What I should've done was get a temp tune from Steeda, and finish off everything at home!! This would've alleviated a lot of last minute stress.
I have to say, overall, the Procharger is the EASIEST forced induction kit to install on a focus. Bar none. Hand tools will do the whole kit!
And finally, yes, there will definitely be a phase 2 with more tuning and hopefully much better dyno numbers!
Lap day is being planned!!
Decided My Mods. - Flofocus - 09-25-2008
congrats man! If I can get out of bed today, I'll send out that guage pod ASAP.
Then you can monitor that setup of yours!
Decided My Mods. - ZX3_2NV - 09-25-2008
Congrats on the #'s you peak at the same rpm as I do and i have a huge slow spooling turbo i thought your peak would be around midrange so you can tell you do have some restrictions a throttle body is a big one that's for sure. Good luck on phase 2 if you need or are lookign for anything let me know.
Decided My Mods. - Flofocus - 09-25-2008
Your TB isnt a bottleneck :rolleyes: - I put down over 220whp, and 220 wtrq with the stock one.
Your bottle necks are your stock exhaust system(Cat, flex). Open that biotch up and you will get that extra 20 horses. Dont waste money on an aftermarket tb for 1-2 whp.
Go 2.5 all the way through and you will get the power you want.
EDIT: One of the TT G35 guys around town here threw his stock cats back on for emissions, he lost about 35 whp on his horse power calculator :o
get that cat & flex out of the way, open her up and 200 should be easy to attain.
Decided My Mods. - ZX3_2NV - 09-25-2008
he has a magnaflow already i say throttle body for sure it helps more that just 1-2 whp is helps the whole car brethe easier
Decided My Mods. - Flofocus - 09-25-2008
ZX3_2NV,Sep 25 2008, 09:36 AM Wrote:he has a magnaflow already i say throttle body for sure it helps more that just 1-2 whp is helps the whole car brethe easier
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Dood, hes running a stock cat and flex. TB is the last of his worries.
Prove me wrong, TB will do s*** for this. My car 'breathed' fine with the stock one. :rolleyes:
Decided My Mods. - paulicat - 09-25-2008
Thanks for the input guys, yea, I'm all stock from the manifold to the flex and I figured that was a large restriction.
Flofocus, are you still running the stock tb on yours??
I was hoping the tb might help with a more "responsive" feel?
Decided My Mods. - Flofocus - 09-25-2008
paulicat,Sep 25 2008, 09:46 AM Wrote:Thanks for the input guys, yea, I'm all stock from the manifold to the flex and I figured that was a large restriction.
Flofocus, are you still running the stock tb on yours??
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Well, my focus is sold, but yes, it is still running 220whp with the stock TB. ;)
Decided My Mods. - ZX3_2NV - 09-25-2008
ohh didn't notice stock cat yaa thats defenitly putting a hurt on the car depending on when you have to pass emmisions id say full long tube headers with a upgraded flex pipe car will really wake up, and of course a throttle body will also help lol. Im sticking to my guns
Decided My Mods. - paulicat - 09-25-2008
VERY interesting!
Those are some pretty massive loses the guy got by going back to stock cats!!
Ok, well, seeing as how you're above the level I wanted to be at, and you still have stock tb, I'm thinking I should definitely lean towards fixing up the exhaust side of things first.
TB is still on the list, however the '03 65mm tb's are far and few inbetween on the used front...
Phase 2 list:
Shorty header (its still a daily commuter car so noise is a bit of a concern).
High flow cat.
High flow flex.
65mm tb.
If anyone is selling some used pieces let me know!!
Decided My Mods. - Flofocus - 09-25-2008
paulicat,Sep 25 2008, 09:49 AM Wrote:VERY interesting!
Those are some pretty massive loses the guy got by going back to stock cats!!
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He's also got massive horsepower. Its a twin turbo VQ engine, hes conservatively tuned at 450whp, thats why its a 'massive loss' when putting the stock cats back on.
paulicat - start with your exhaust system. Up to you to spend the money on the TB but I think you will be pretty disappointed with the gains you will get.
Decided My Mods. - Flofocus - 09-25-2008
paulicat,Sep 25 2008, 09:49 AM Wrote:Phase 2 list:
Shorty header (its still a daily commuter car so noise is a bit of a concern).
High flow cat.
High flow flex.
65mm tb.
If anyone is selling some used pieces let me know!!
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I got my flex pipe from trubendz.com
Go with a Stainless steel 2.5 system. Mine fit perfectly, and stayed in great shape.
I would look into getting a custom downpipe made with a high flow cat built into it. Most exahust shops that do custom work can do this for you for under $200 + price of hf cat. (my vibrant one cost about $65 IIRC)
Decided My Mods. - paulicat - 09-26-2008
I appreciate all the opinions that everyone's given in this thread.
I'll be tackling exhaust first. Once that's done, I'll get dyno'd (slight retuning if necessary) and take it from there.
Tb will be last on the list (if necessary only).
I'd like to see if I can keep it emissions legal but if that's not a reality, we'll see happens then.
Decided My Mods. - ZX3_2NV - 09-26-2008
I might part with my throttle body for the right price.
Decided My Mods. - paulicat - 09-26-2008
2.5 for the flex/cat??
I have a 2.25 magnaflow catback, I don't need to get rid of that do I?
Your tb is for the 00-02.5 isn't it?
The 03 has a different tb altogether...
That being said, I'm leaning to exhaust work first.
Decided My Mods. - Flofocus - 09-26-2008
paulicat,Sep 25 2008, 10:00 AM Wrote:I'd like to see if I can keep it emissions legal but if that's not a reality, we'll see happens then.
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Just make sure that CAT is as close to the header as possible, just like where the stock one is. You shouldnt have a problem passing emissions.
Decided My Mods. - paulicat - 09-26-2008
Flofocus,Sep 25 2008, 10:03 AM Wrote:Just make sure that CAT is as close to the header as possible, just like where the stock one is. You shouldnt have a problem passing emissions.
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How about the 2.5 to my 2.25 magnaflow, is that a problem??
So 2.5 for cat/flex/downpipe only??
I don't really want to change the magnaflow if I don't have too, I really like the tone I'm getting right now.