[darkpuppet]

easy with the name calling!

everyone has their own idea of what they're looking for in a high HP car. There's nothing wrong with trying to build a solid daily driver that can be taken across the country without any worries of what gas your running.

The whole point is that being able to lap people at VIR does not a daily driver make. And when people start talking about high horsepower, I prefer to bring up the limitations that fuel octane can impose on a person's quest for power rather than just dismiss it as trash talk.

Tom, you are very fortunate that high octane is easily obtainable, and it's great that your cars are THAT capable. But to me, having a car that is 360WHP capable is not the same as being able to drive that to work.

For example.. My vortech equipped zx5 is doing 191 WHP on 91 octane without the slightest indication of a problem. That means I can drive it 1,000 miles without worry of engine failure on gas that is available at the regular interval of gas stations... but I bet you I can easily break 200 WHP with some tuning and higher octane...that's ok for the dyno (dyno queen) or the track where high octane is available (track slut)... but it's not my current goal for a daily driven vehicle.

Not that I won't be pushing for 200WHP with some bolt ons, but that HP will be safe to run on 91.

The only caveat is that the car rarily sees ambient temperatures you have to deal with on a daily. Could be that we canadians luck out with lower octane because we have someone lower ambient temps? (that would be an interesting comparison)..

I'm not sure where I'm going with this... we should just stick with the facts, and qualify the solutions we're offering people. Not that I'm implying that Tom hides these facts (he obviously doesn't), but please realize that not everyone subscribes to the same school of thought.

not that I'm trying to burn bridges.. sooner or later I'm going to screw up and blow my engine..gonna really need someone to build me a long block when that happens :P