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oldeguy,Dec 18 2008, 12:33 PM Wrote:from what I've read, the RS is priced lower than the STi and the Evo.
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If the price in the OP is correct, then this sounds right.
According to the OP the Focus RS starts at ã24,995 OTR -- that compares to:
WRX STi from ã26,039 OTR
STi UK price here
Mitsu Lancer EVO from ã26,912 OTR
EVO UK price here
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So if they priced the Focus like the EVO and STI... insta-fail. Both cars mop the floor with it.
Subaru pricing: http://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebPageI...9&WebSiteID=282
Mitsubishi pricing: http://mitsubishi-motors.ca/Lancer_Evoluti...volution_offers
Price the RS around $35000 and you might have something. Even then it's still competing with the WRX265: http://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebPageI...9&WebSiteID=282 - scroll to bottom.
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NOS2Go4Me,Dec 18 2008, 04:05 PM Wrote:So if they priced the Focus like the EVO and STI... insta-fail. Both cars mop the floor with it.
Subaru pricing: http://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebPageI...9&WebSiteID=282
Mitsubishi pricing: http://mitsubishi-motors.ca/Lancer_Evoluti...volution_offers
Price the RS around $35000 and you might have something. Even then it's still competing with the WRX265: http://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebPageI...9&WebSiteID=282 - scroll to bottom.
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I haven't seen any head to head comparisons yet - and previous RS on the track at least have bested both the Subaru and EVO ... on what are you basing the mopping.
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Price and buyer mentality. The tech has changed for both the EVO and the STI of late... dramatically in some cases (DSGs, advanced stability and torque management, etc).
A FWD car with 300HP is just not going to keep up with the STI, nevermind the EVO unless there's some serious shenanigans going on under the sheetmetal.
The old EVOs were "AWD and add some more HP, fatten the powerband" a bit more each generation. The EVO X is something else, entirely, compared to its predecessor. Ironically, they seem to have softened up the STI some... so perhaps a UK-spec Focus RS might best it once again.
As far as the 06-07 STi goes... not a chance in hell. Sad eh? The last-gen STI is faster and tighter than the new model.
Oh wait, does that sound ANYTHING like a certain domestic sport compact (that is no longer really a SPORT compact)??? :ph34r:
Sorry about the whipping, fellas. I love the Focus... just not the new NA-spec stuff. Altho, I saw (what I presume was) an '09 Focus coupe with the SVT EAP rims... or whatever they're calling them nowadays. I could ALMOST love the car... ALMOST. It just needs more balls and one more cog on the transmission!
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konafocuswrc,Dec 19 2008, 12:53 AM Wrote:but do we get rs here..
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I sure as hell hope so. The guy who was in charge of Ford's Rally effort, is now in charge of Ford's worldwide Performance division, so there's hope :D If you can, save up the necessary cash, and keep drivin' the one you have now.
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NOS2Go4Me,Dec 18 2008, 11:58 PM Wrote:A FWD car with 300HP is just not going to keep up with the STI, nevermind the EVO unless there's some serious shenanigans going on under the sheetmetal.
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Totally depends!
From a roll, my focus was pretty darn fast. It would easily pull on my wrx. AWD will only help you with take off traction, at the limits you can get very different driving results depending on drivers input (same with FWD and RWD), but most of you dont go anywhere near that...if both cars are running the same tires on a nice warm summer day, there's no reason for the FWD to not perform just as good or better than an AWD car at the track. Im talking a 300Hp sti vs a 300Hp rs, same tires, same weather...apples to apples. Im thought the RS was rated at something like 225 anyways?
Some advantages with AWD when you throw bad weather in the mix, Im sure we can all agree to that, but having an AWD car, wont save you from hitting a patch of black ice on the highway and spinning out.
I swear by AWD cars after my 1st subie, especially with my location and interests, but I dont beleive its required to have the ultimate sport comp car either.
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if your importing something I would kill for a early 90's escort cosworth hands down with a high tail wing oh ya
as for the 4wd comment my old srt4 would get to 150 mph faster than an sti
0-150mph times. SRT-4 = 46.80 seconds STi = 50.05 seconds
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^^cause thats pretty much what srt-4 are good for.......im saying that cause i drove 3 of them before......
i read a long time ago, that when they were designing srt-4, they were designing it for straights....aka compatitive 1/4mile car
i would never bash srt-4 (neon), that car is great for its money (decent now is $13-16k)....cheap to make power.....but you through a couple twisties = :(
i didn't get one because i wanted more for the car then just acceleration
on the other note ACR SRT-4 is very nice machine
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i owend one before ti got the srt8 you metion twisties it gotthe same if not better G load then the svtF
ow well at teh end of the day nothing will ever beat TQ and RWD eVer
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DD1,Dec 20 2008, 09:36 AM Wrote:i owend one before ti got the srt8 you metion twisties it gotthe same if not better G load then the svtF
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wow, you should post that on FF.com :lol:
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srt4 specs
PERFORMANCE RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: .13.4 sec
Zero to 130 mph: .24.8 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.7 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 13.9 sec @ 103 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 153 mph
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g
focus svtf specs
road and track results
0-60: 7.4
1/4 mile: 15.6 @ 90.1
Lap time: 1:24.84
Slalom: 66.4 mph
Skidpad: 0.86g
man I hate it when number dont lye but I am sure you have some thign smart to say about this please don't even say anything about "well I got this for the svtf it would smoke the srt4" just please remember it is a 2 way street
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nope
i believe ya
as i mentioned before....srt-4's are great for its money
it's just 95% Focus owners will either admit or hate on srt-4
"Oh its just an ugly Neon!" .....oh well you're driving a focus, not the greatest looking car either.
Anyways i still more about this car being for straights just from personal driving srt-4 and a bunch of svt's, but a quick car over all.
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srt line up sucks. :D
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Flofocus,Dec 21 2008, 11:09 PM Wrote:srt line up sucks. :D
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so do ppl that work at bell in in ottawa area and are names NATE b!tch
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Bell?
is Nate another Paolo???
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DD1,Dec 21 2008, 11:37 PM Wrote:Flofocus,Dec 21 2008, 11:09 PM Wrote:srt line up sucks. :D
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so do ppl that work at bell in in ottawa area and are names NATE b!tch
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are you saying I suck?
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Hmmm WRX vs SRT-anything. I know what I'd take - the rallysport-engineered car over the Barcalounger with go-faster bits bolted to it.
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Flofocus,Dec 22 2008, 09:59 AM Wrote:DD1,Dec 21 2008, 11:37 PM Wrote:Flofocus,Dec 21 2008, 11:09 PM Wrote:srt line up sucks. :D
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so do ppl that work at bell in in ottawa area and are names NATE b!tch
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are you saying I suck?
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Don't know from personal experience. Let's ask Puppet. He should know.
He made you a mod and fired me when I would NOT suck!!!! :lol:
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